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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Wallace - I signed on with a company back in July of 2011 and negotiated a draw against commission for a ramp up period of 90 days since the sales cycle could be lengthy and commissions would not be enough to substantiate my finances for a while. The agreement was a base salary plus a guaranteed amount per month (draw) for a period of 90 days. I stated in the interview that I wanted an unrecoverable draw. There was never discussion of repayment of the draw. I would never have agreed to such a thing and politely declined the job offer. I have never and do not believe in a recoverable draw. It would be impossible to ever catch up if you were required to pay back a draw. The 90 day period passed and my commissions had thankfully kicked in and I was able to transition nicely without financial hardship. The past 3 months I have attained over 100% of my target sales goals and am on target to reach 200% in January. I am their top sales manager at this point in the month, so I have contributed quite substantially to this company and performed above expectations. On the last paycheck of 2011, Dec 31, I saw that they had deducted over 2k from my check and called it &quot;draw&quot;. I was horrified. I had not been notified of, nor had there been any discussion of terms of repayment. I was put in such financial hardship by this event as I was expecting to pay some Christmas bills with the extra commissions I had earned for the holiday. The next check they took even more out. I never agreed to repay nor was I ever told when or how they would deduct this 7k in draw that they say I now owe them. I have no idea what to do. How can they just take it out without notice or my agreement? Is that legal? What is my recourse? Why would a company do that to a top producing sales manager? Thanks for any insight you can provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Wallace &#8211; I signed on with a company back in July of 2011 and negotiated a draw against commission for a ramp up period of 90 days since the sales cycle could be lengthy and commissions would not be enough to substantiate my finances for a while. The agreement was a base salary plus a guaranteed amount per month (draw) for a period of 90 days. I stated in the interview that I wanted an unrecoverable draw. There was never discussion of repayment of the draw. I would never have agreed to such a thing and politely declined the job offer. I have never and do not believe in a recoverable draw. It would be impossible to ever catch up if you were required to pay back a draw. The 90 day period passed and my commissions had thankfully kicked in and I was able to transition nicely without financial hardship. The past 3 months I have attained over 100% of my target sales goals and am on target to reach 200% in January. I am their top sales manager at this point in the month, so I have contributed quite substantially to this company and performed above expectations. On the last paycheck of 2011, Dec 31, I saw that they had deducted over 2k from my check and called it &#8220;draw&#8221;. I was horrified. I had not been notified of, nor had there been any discussion of terms of repayment. I was put in such financial hardship by this event as I was expecting to pay some Christmas bills with the extra commissions I had earned for the holiday. The next check they took even more out. I never agreed to repay nor was I ever told when or how they would deduct this 7k in draw that they say I now owe them. I have no idea what to do. How can they just take it out without notice or my agreement? Is that legal? What is my recourse? Why would a company do that to a top producing sales manager? Thanks for any insight you can provide.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by David Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You put forth good reasons for a non-recoverable draw.  The bottom line depends on several factors.  First, how valuable is the current sales team to the company?  Are you generating sufficient revenue and margin for the company?  Are you helping the company achieve its objectives?  How much would it cost the company to replace you if you leave?  Second, how is the market for sales reps who can replace you?  Will the company lose market share or sales if you leave?  How quickly can you be replaced?  What would be the cost to train a replacement?  Third, what is the culture of the company?  Is the company paternalistic where they would take care of you during the transition?  Is the company cut-throat where it&#039;s survival of the fittest?

I understand that this economy is challenging for many sales reps.  It&#039;s challenging for companies too.  Whether or not a draw is put in place, and whether it&#039;s recoverable or non-recoverable will depend on your company&#039;s financial position and its culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You put forth good reasons for a non-recoverable draw.  The bottom line depends on several factors.  First, how valuable is the current sales team to the company?  Are you generating sufficient revenue and margin for the company?  Are you helping the company achieve its objectives?  How much would it cost the company to replace you if you leave?  Second, how is the market for sales reps who can replace you?  Will the company lose market share or sales if you leave?  How quickly can you be replaced?  What would be the cost to train a replacement?  Third, what is the culture of the company?  Is the company paternalistic where they would take care of you during the transition?  Is the company cut-throat where it&#8217;s survival of the fittest?</p>
<p>I understand that this economy is challenging for many sales reps.  It&#8217;s challenging for companies too.  Whether or not a draw is put in place, and whether it&#8217;s recoverable or non-recoverable will depend on your company&#8217;s financial position and its culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by David B</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a company decides to change marketing strategies for inside reps who make commission based on leads provided by the company, should the company offer a draw against future earnings or non-recoverable ramp to compensate for the change in marketing? My company is deciding to head up-market, now involving much longer sales cycles, RFPs, etc. The risk and reward are both potentially much higher. We could make a lot of money, but are all afraid that without the SMB deals we were dropping in routinely we won&#039;t get paid much for a while, and draw money we have to pay back means a loan, essentially, against what may turn out to be a bad marketing strategy, or one that needs refinement over time. I feel like we did not do anything wrong, and the company should, in good faith, give us non-recoverable money to compensate for lost commissions in this fallow time. Even a true-up number would work, where we would be able to sell and if we fell below a certain number they would make up the difference for the short term, until we see how the new strategy works out. Your thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a company decides to change marketing strategies for inside reps who make commission based on leads provided by the company, should the company offer a draw against future earnings or non-recoverable ramp to compensate for the change in marketing? My company is deciding to head up-market, now involving much longer sales cycles, RFPs, etc. The risk and reward are both potentially much higher. We could make a lot of money, but are all afraid that without the SMB deals we were dropping in routinely we won&#8217;t get paid much for a while, and draw money we have to pay back means a loan, essentially, against what may turn out to be a bad marketing strategy, or one that needs refinement over time. I feel like we did not do anything wrong, and the company should, in good faith, give us non-recoverable money to compensate for lost commissions in this fallow time. Even a true-up number would work, where we would be able to sell and if we fell below a certain number they would make up the difference for the short term, until we see how the new strategy works out. Your thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by David Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

Compensation and commission issues can vary tremendously from agreement to agreement, employer to employer, and state to state.  I don&#039;t know the specifics of your situation beyond what you have provided.  I am also not an attorney.

If the disputed or withheld amount is significant, I recommend you contact a labor attorney, particularly one with expertise handling compensation issues in your state.  After reviewing your situation, your attorney will be best able to advise you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Compensation and commission issues can vary tremendously from agreement to agreement, employer to employer, and state to state.  I don&#8217;t know the specifics of your situation beyond what you have provided.  I am also not an attorney.</p>
<p>If the disputed or withheld amount is significant, I recommend you contact a labor attorney, particularly one with expertise handling compensation issues in your state.  After reviewing your situation, your attorney will be best able to advise you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by Don P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 05:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Wallace, 

I was recently terminated after only 3 months with an employer who established an at-will base+ draw compensation package.  The sales goal for the first quarter was overly ambitious, but I agreed to it because I wanted a new opportunity for growth.  The employer and the job was not a good fit, and I did not meet my sales goals.  My employer terminated me, even though I had 2 proposal meetings scheduled including one the very next week.  He held my last paycheck to put against my draw, and has been harassing me about the remaining draw.  I reviewed our agreement, which stated that draws not met in the first quarter would be taken from my base compensation, but there is not language about re-payment after termination.  I strongly believe that I do not owe this amount as it was an unfair work environment (in the CEO expected me to also perform marketing functions for the company in addition to attending time-consuming meetings with his sales coach).  I also learned after leaving that this CEO has a reputation for being difficult to work with, and even abusive.  Does he have any legal recourse for making me pay the remaining draw?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Wallace, </p>
<p>I was recently terminated after only 3 months with an employer who established an at-will base+ draw compensation package.  The sales goal for the first quarter was overly ambitious, but I agreed to it because I wanted a new opportunity for growth.  The employer and the job was not a good fit, and I did not meet my sales goals.  My employer terminated me, even though I had 2 proposal meetings scheduled including one the very next week.  He held my last paycheck to put against my draw, and has been harassing me about the remaining draw.  I reviewed our agreement, which stated that draws not met in the first quarter would be taken from my base compensation, but there is not language about re-payment after termination.  I strongly believe that I do not owe this amount as it was an unfair work environment (in the CEO expected me to also perform marketing functions for the company in addition to attending time-consuming meetings with his sales coach).  I also learned after leaving that this CEO has a reputation for being difficult to work with, and even abusive.  Does he have any legal recourse for making me pay the remaining draw?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by David Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question of what’s an appropriate draw against commissions depends on your perspective.  From the employer’s perspective, the employer wants to pay as little draw as possible, but still provide its employee with enough cash flow to be able to focus on performing the job.  So, if an employee needs $5K per month to meet basic needs (health insurance, food on the table, transportation to work, perhaps a portion of mortgage/rent), then I pay that amount.  If they can manage with less, then I pay less.  The key is to meet basic needs, but still keep the employee hungry enough to do better.  If the employee is too comfortable, there may not be an incentive to drive more sales.

From the employee’s perspective, you will want look at whether the draw is recoverable or not.  Plus, look at what the draw is recoverable against.  If the draw is non-recoverable (i.e., you get it no matter what and you don’t have to pay it back at the end of the year or if you leave the company), then ask for as much as your employer will give you.  There’s no risk beyond being viewed as greedy, needy or otherwise a high-maintenance sales person.  This will allow you to focus on developing sales and not worry about money.

If the draw is recoverable, then you will want to look at the mechanisms for recovery.  Is it recoverable against future commissions (most common)?  Base salary?  Expenses?  Other monies owed to you?  On demand (unsecured loan)?  In this case, you need to determine how much debt you are comfortable carrying.  Also, what is the likelihood of earning commissions that exceed the draw and when will commissions surpass the draw amount?  

Given what you’ve outlined below, I would target $86,000 for the draw (they may or may not agree to this amount).  I would also negotiate for the draw to be non-recoverable for some period of time (6 mos? 12 mos?) based on a realistic period you need to transition your client base.  Thereafter, you and your employer may agree upon a draw amount, recoverable against commissions, that smoothes out cash flow until you are established.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of what’s an appropriate draw against commissions depends on your perspective.  From the employer’s perspective, the employer wants to pay as little draw as possible, but still provide its employee with enough cash flow to be able to focus on performing the job.  So, if an employee needs $5K per month to meet basic needs (health insurance, food on the table, transportation to work, perhaps a portion of mortgage/rent), then I pay that amount.  If they can manage with less, then I pay less.  The key is to meet basic needs, but still keep the employee hungry enough to do better.  If the employee is too comfortable, there may not be an incentive to drive more sales.</p>
<p>From the employee’s perspective, you will want look at whether the draw is recoverable or not.  Plus, look at what the draw is recoverable against.  If the draw is non-recoverable (i.e., you get it no matter what and you don’t have to pay it back at the end of the year or if you leave the company), then ask for as much as your employer will give you.  There’s no risk beyond being viewed as greedy, needy or otherwise a high-maintenance sales person.  This will allow you to focus on developing sales and not worry about money.</p>
<p>If the draw is recoverable, then you will want to look at the mechanisms for recovery.  Is it recoverable against future commissions (most common)?  Base salary?  Expenses?  Other monies owed to you?  On demand (unsecured loan)?  In this case, you need to determine how much debt you are comfortable carrying.  Also, what is the likelihood of earning commissions that exceed the draw and when will commissions surpass the draw amount?  </p>
<p>Given what you’ve outlined below, I would target $86,000 for the draw (they may or may not agree to this amount).  I would also negotiate for the draw to be non-recoverable for some period of time (6 mos? 12 mos?) based on a realistic period you need to transition your client base.  Thereafter, you and your employer may agree upon a draw amount, recoverable against commissions, that smoothes out cash flow until you are established.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 03:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr.Wallace,

I am a Financial Advisor and have been in the business for 3 years and have been doing very well with the firm that I am employed with. I currently work on 100% commissions. I receive a 36%-40% payout of gross commissions. I have been contacted by a very prominent Local Investment firm that would like me to work for them and would like to structure some type of draw against commissions and I was looking for some guidance of how much to negotiate as a draw. My Total comp for 2010 was $86,000 not including profit sharing or health insurance benefits. Projected 2011 $100,000. Should I target $86,000 as my draw since that is what I made last year and as I transition some of my own clients over to the new firm that I could eventually remove the draw against commissions? The firm is aware that I really wouldn&#039;t be willing to switch Firms unless I could realistically double my current income. Thanks for your help. Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.Wallace,</p>
<p>I am a Financial Advisor and have been in the business for 3 years and have been doing very well with the firm that I am employed with. I currently work on 100% commissions. I receive a 36%-40% payout of gross commissions. I have been contacted by a very prominent Local Investment firm that would like me to work for them and would like to structure some type of draw against commissions and I was looking for some guidance of how much to negotiate as a draw. My Total comp for 2010 was $86,000 not including profit sharing or health insurance benefits. Projected 2011 $100,000. Should I target $86,000 as my draw since that is what I made last year and as I transition some of my own clients over to the new firm that I could eventually remove the draw against commissions? The firm is aware that I really wouldn&#8217;t be willing to switch Firms unless I could realistically double my current income. Thanks for your help. Adam</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by David Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Mac,  As a manufacturers&#039; rep, I assume you work as an independent contractor as your own, separate legal entity.  Given that status, there are a number of ways that you might account for the 2010 1099 income.  I recommend that you consult with your accountant to ensure that you account for payments in a manner that is both legal and appropriate to your particular financial situation.  -- Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Mac,  As a manufacturers&#8217; rep, I assume you work as an independent contractor as your own, separate legal entity.  Given that status, there are a number of ways that you might account for the 2010 1099 income.  I recommend that you consult with your accountant to ensure that you account for payments in a manner that is both legal and appropriate to your particular financial situation.  &#8212; Dave</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sales Compensation Plan – Draw Against Commission by bob mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear mr wallace: i am a manufactures rep. my product takes a long time to sell sometimes 18 months. in 2010 the company paid me a straight draw. there were no sales. early in 2011 the account was opend and the purchse orders have begun. immediatley the comapny has begun deducting my draw from commissions. here is my question: was the 2010 1099 income? was it a loan? how do i book it withthe irs? how will i book the repayment in 2011? please offer me any assistance on this subject. i will find out a way to return the favor. thank you. bobmac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear mr wallace: i am a manufactures rep. my product takes a long time to sell sometimes 18 months. in 2010 the company paid me a straight draw. there were no sales. early in 2011 the account was opend and the purchse orders have begun. immediatley the comapny has begun deducting my draw from commissions. here is my question: was the 2010 1099 income? was it a loan? how do i book it withthe irs? how will i book the repayment in 2011? please offer me any assistance on this subject. i will find out a way to return the favor. thank you. bobmac</p>
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		<title>Comment on Inside Sales vs. Outside Sales by Ken Krogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Krogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I like the table approach you have used to try and illustrate the situations by which you decide to use inside sales versus outside sales.

I wanted to add my observations to yours. As the President of InsideSales.com, I have the opportunity to observe hundreds of companies as they are in the process of starting or growing an inside sales team. More and more we are finding companies with bigger ticket items and higher product complexity being sold effectively by inside sales or remote sales teams. 

In fact, taking the definition of inside sales as remote sales, we are finding that a majority of the time spent by an outside sales person is spent actually doing inside sales, or selling remotely. Product margins seems to have very little or nothing to do with the discussion. Bigger ticket items still benefit with a face-to-face meeting, but there are far fewer of them in the sales cycle, with much more meetings facilitated remotely.

Here is how I would modify your table:

	                           Inside Sales	   Outside Sales
Product or Service Cost	           Low - Medium    High
Perception of Product Value	   Low – Medium	   High
Product Complexity	           Low - High	   High
Transaction Size	           Small/Medium	   Large
Product Margin	                   Small/Large	   Large
Target Geography	           Wide 	   Narrow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I like the table approach you have used to try and illustrate the situations by which you decide to use inside sales versus outside sales.</p>
<p>I wanted to add my observations to yours. As the President of InsideSales.com, I have the opportunity to observe hundreds of companies as they are in the process of starting or growing an inside sales team. More and more we are finding companies with bigger ticket items and higher product complexity being sold effectively by inside sales or remote sales teams. </p>
<p>In fact, taking the definition of inside sales as remote sales, we are finding that a majority of the time spent by an outside sales person is spent actually doing inside sales, or selling remotely. Product margins seems to have very little or nothing to do with the discussion. Bigger ticket items still benefit with a face-to-face meeting, but there are far fewer of them in the sales cycle, with much more meetings facilitated remotely.</p>
<p>Here is how I would modify your table:</p>
<p>	                           Inside Sales	   Outside Sales<br />
Product or Service Cost	           Low &#8211; Medium    High<br />
Perception of Product Value	   Low – Medium	   High<br />
Product Complexity	           Low &#8211; High	   High<br />
Transaction Size	           Small/Medium	   Large<br />
Product Margin	                   Small/Large	   Large<br />
Target Geography	           Wide 	   Narrow</p>
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